Question:
What does it mean when someone calls you a catch 22?
tay_crockett
2008-05-23 22:36:25 UTC
What does it mean when someone calls you a catch 22?
Ten answers:
cheezitmmh20
2008-05-23 22:41:01 UTC
a "no-win" situation -- look under "concepts" on the wikipedia link below
Cynthia LY
2008-05-24 05:48:23 UTC
Circular logic

False dilemma

Irony

No-win situation - real choices exist, but no choice leads to success.

Reductio ad absurdum

The Lady and the Tiger - a short story involving a princess who must make a decision in a false dilemma situation.

Sometimes confused with a Catch 22:



Chicken or the egg - a seemingly unbreakable cycle of causation, which has an unknown origin.

Cornelian dilemma - a choice between actions which will all have a detrimental effect on the chooser or on someone they care for.

Deadlock - in computing, when two commands reach a standstill or impasse; paradoxically waiting for the other to finish.

Double bind - a forced choice between two logically conflicting demands.

Hobson's choice - the choice between taking an option or not taking it.

Lesser of two evils principle - a choice between two undesirable outcomes.

Morton's Fork - a choice between two equally unpleasant alternatives.

Paradox



Catch-22 is a term coined by Joseph Heller in his novel Catch-22, describing a false dilemma, where no real choice exists. In probability theory, it refers to a situation in which multiple probabilistic events exist, and the desirable outcome results from the confluence of these events, but there is zero probability of this happening. This is usually either because the probabilistic events are mutually exclusive or because each probabilistic event only has a nonzero probability when it is given that the other has happened (simply, each event requires another to happen in a circular manner).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
higher
2008-05-24 05:42:16 UTC
It means he or she is misusing a tired cliche and should be mocked or ignored. A "catch 22" is a situational paradox, similar to being "stuck between a rock and a hard place." A situation can be a catch 22, but a person cannot.
luv2seashore1
2008-05-24 05:51:26 UTC
A catch 22 is ambiguous meaning that it is neither right or wrong......they are equally important and puts you into a quandary of not knowing how to handle a situation or a person. It's like I am darned if I do and I am darned if I don't. ( I changed the word to darn!) lol In a catch 22 there is usually no definite answer or way to solve anything.
anonymous
2008-05-24 05:39:05 UTC
I think it means a paradox, in reference to its meaning in the novel Catch 22



- it goes that during WWII, people could get out of the war (cuz people die) if they showed evidence of being crazy, by not asking to leave and continually being in danger



but, as you must voluntarily leave, asking the guys if you can leave proves you're not crazy, so you're stuck in the war
chris k
2008-05-24 05:42:39 UTC
if i remember correctly it was referring to pilots in a war cant remember which but want to say WWI or WWII, and did't want to fly the missions, but wanted to claim they were insane because that was the only way out, but the catch was an insane person would not know they were insane. I can't remember the whole story but it was somehting along those lines, and i think the squadron number was 22
misseasygoing
2008-05-24 05:39:05 UTC
It means you have a catch to you. You have something to offer, but there is a catch that goes with it.
Frank R
2008-05-24 06:06:50 UTC
Catch-22



Catch-22 is a satirical, historical novel by the American author Joseph Heller, first published in 1961. The novel, set during the later stages of World War II from 1943 onwards, is frequently cited as one of the great literary works of the Twentieth century.[2]

The novel follows Yossarian, a U.S. Army Air Forces B-25 bombardier, and a number of other characters. Most events occur while the airmen of the fictional Fighting 256th (or "two to the fighting eighth power") Squadron are based on the island of Pianosa, west of Italy. Many events in the book are repeatedly described from differing points of view, so the reader learns more about the event from each iteration, with the new information often completing a joke, or setup, the punchline of which was told several chapters previous. The narrative often describes these events out of sequence, and are referred to as if the reader already knows about them.

Contents [hide]

1 Explanation of the novel's title

2 Concept

3 Synopsis

4 Major themes

5 Characters

6 Influences

7 Allusions/references to other works

7.1 Iliad and Odyssey

7.2 Crime and Punishment

7.3 Other works

8 Literary significance and criticism

9 Rankings

10 Adaptations

11 Release details

12 See also

13 Notes and references

14 External links

[edit]Explanation of the novel's title



The title, "Catch-22," is a reference to a bureaucratic catch, which embodies multiple forms of illogical and immoral reasoning seen throughout the book; and which itself is an absurd joke: namely, that bureaucratic nonsense has gotten to such a high level that even the catches are codified with numbers. The name of this catch, since it embodied much of what Heller points out as wrong, was a perfect title for the novel.

A magazine excerpt from the novel was originally published as Catch-18, but Heller's publisher, Candida Donadio, requested that it change the title of the novel so it would not be confused with another recently published World War II novel, Leon Uris's Mila 18. The number 18 has special meaning in Judaism (it means 'life' in Gematria) and was relevant to early drafts of the novel which had a somewhat greater Jewish emphasis.[3]

There was a suggestion for the title Catch-11, with the duplicated 1 in parallel to the repetition found in a number of character exchanges in the novel, but due to the release of the 1960 movie Ocean's Eleven this was also rejected. Catch-14 was also rejected apparently because the publisher did not feel that 14 was a "funny number." Catch-17 was also rejected so as not to be confused with the World War II film Stalag 17. So eventually the title came to be Catch-22, which, like 11, has a duplicated digit with the 2 also referring to a number of déjà vu like events common in the novel.[3]

[edit]Concept



Further information: Catch-22 (logic)

Among other things, Catch-22 is a general critique of bureaucratic operation and reasoning. Resulting from its specific use in the book, the phrase "Catch-22" is common idiomatic usage meaning "a no-win situation" or "a double bind" of any type. Within the book, "Catch-22" is a military rule, the self-contradictory circular logic that, for example, prevents anyone from avoiding combat missions. In Heller's own words:

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

"That's some catch, that Catch-22," Yossarian observed.

"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

Much of Heller's prose in Catch-22 is circular and repetitive, exemplifying in its form the structure of a Catch-22. Heller revels in paradox, for example: The Texan turned out to be good-natured, generous and likable. In three days no one could stand him, and The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. This atmosphere of apparent logical irrationality pervades the whole book.

Other forms of Catch-22 are invoked throughout the novel to justify various bureaucratic actions. At one point, victims of harassment by military police quote the MPs as having explained one of Catch-22's provisions so: Catch-22 states that agents enforcing Catch-22 need not prove that Catch-22 actually contains whatever provision the accused violator is accused of violating. An old woman explains: Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing.

Yossarian comes to realize that Catch-22 does not actually exist, but because the powers that be claim it does, and the world believes it does, it nevertheless has potent effects. Indeed, because it does not exist there is no way it can be repealed, undone, overthrown, or denounced. The combination of brute force with specious legalistic justification is one of the book's primary motifs.

The motif of bureaucratic absurdity is further explored in 1994's Closing Time, Heller's sequel to Catch-22. This darker, slower-paced, apocalyptic novel explores the pre- and post-war lives of some of the major characters in Catch-22, with particular emphasis on the relationship between Yossarian and tailgunner Sammy Singer.

[edit]Synopsis



This section requires expansion.

The development of the novel can be split into multiple segments. The first (chapters 1-12) broadly follows the story in during present day time, though the story is fragmented between characters. The second (chapters 12-20) flashes back to focus primarily on the "Great Siege of Bologna" before once again jumping to the present in the third part (chapter 20-25). The fourth (chapters 25-28) flashes back to the origins and growth of Milo’s syndicate, with the fifth part (chapter 28-32) returning again to the narrative present but keeping to the same tone of the previous four. In the sixth and final part (chapter 32 on) while remaining in the present time the novel takes a much darker turn and spends the remaining chapters focusing on the serious and brutal nature of war and the world we live in. [4]

While the previous five parts develop the novel in the present and by use of flash-backs, it is in chapters 32-41 of the sixth and final part where the novel significantly darkens. Previously the reader had been cushioned from experiencing the full horror of events, but now the events are laid bare, allowing the full effect to take place. The horror begins with the attack on the undefended Italian mountain village, with the following chapters involving despair (Doc Daneeka and the Chaplain), disappearance in combat (Orr and Clevinger), disappearance caused by the army (Dunbar) or death (McWatt, Kid Sampson, Dobbs, Nately, Chief White Halfoat and Hungry Joe) of most of Yossarian’s friends, culminating in the unspeakable horrors of Chapter 41, in particular the rape and murder of Michaela, who represents pure innocence.[4]

[edit]Major themes



This section requires expansion.

One of the first themes developed in the novel is the question of what is right to do in a basic moral dilemma/social dilemma/prisoner's dilemma; where a person can cooperate with others to their collective greater payoff; or can sell them out by not cooperating, and reap even greater benefits as an individual. Yossarian is presented as having decided upon and relishing the immoral choice to such questions: "Yossarian throbbed with a mighty sense of accomplishment each time he gazed at [the officers' club building] and reflected that none of the work that had gone into it was his," which solidly casts Yossarian as an anti-hero. Yossarian (and Doc Daneeka) wonder 'why me' when it comes to taking risks when others aren't. To this, Major Danby asks Yossarian, "But suppose everybody on our side felt that way," to which Yossarian replies, "Then I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way. Wouldn’t I?"

Another theme is the turning on their heads of our notions of what people generally think of as morally right or wrong, particularly patriotism and honor, which, because they are simplistic ideas, lead most of the airmen to accept abusive lies and petty rules of bureaucrats, though Yossarian is modeled whole-heartedly disregarding all such notions. When Major Major asks why he wouldn't fly more missions, Yossarian answers:

"I’m afraid."

"That’s nothing to be ashamed of," Major Major counseled him kindly. "We’re all afraid."

"I’m not ashamed,’ Yossarian said. ‘I’m just afraid."

Several themes flow into one another, for example, 'that the only way to survive such an insane system is to be insane oneself,' is partially a take on Yossarian's answer to the Social dilemma (that he would be a fool to be any other way); and another theme, 'that bad men (who sell out others) are more likely to get ahead, rise in rank, and make money,' turns our notions of what is estimable on their heads as well.

Heller suggests that bureaucracies, especially when run by bad or insane men, lead the members of the organization to trivialize important matters (e.g., those affecting life and death), and that trivial matters (e.g., clerical errors) assume enormous importance. Everyone in the book, even Yossarian at the beginning, is
d_r_siva
2008-05-24 07:55:58 UTC
absurd situation or its cause: a situation or predicament from which it is impossible to extricate yourself because of built-in illogical rules and regulations



[After the novel Catch-22 by Joseph Heller]



Cultural Note



Catch-22, a novel (1961) by Joseph Heller. The title of this dark satire relates to the skewed military logic that entraps the protagonist, Yossarian, a pilot serving in Italy during World War II. He tries to get himself grounded by being pronounced insane, but is told that only an insane person would want to fly, and his desire not to fly proves that he is, in fact, sane, and so must continue to fly. The term Catch-22 eventually came to have a more general meaning of a situation in which somebody is trapped by illogical conditions and restrictions.



http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861687254



from the title of Joseph Heller's 1961 novel. In widespread use only after release of movie based on the book in 1970. The "catch" is that a bomber pilot is insane if he flies combat missions without asking to be relieved from duty, and is thus eligible to be relieved from duty. But if he asks to be relieved from duty, that means he's sane and has to keep flying. Catch in this sense of "hidden cost, qualification, etc." is slang first recorded 1885.



There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.

"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.



http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Catch-22



"Catch 22" means is evidence of your relative youth because the phrase is of fairly recent vintage and made quite a splash when it arrived in common usage. "Catch 22" is the title of a novel published in 1961, written by Joseph Heller and based on his experiences as a World War II bomber pilot in Europe. The central character in "Catch 22" (which you really ought to read, by the way) is the pilot Yossarian, whose all-too-accurate perception of the futility and insanity of war leads him to seek a psychiatric exemption from flying further combat missions. But Yossarian runs smack into what Heller dubbed "Catch 22" ("catch" in this sense meaning "snag"). As Heller put it, "There was only one catch, and that was Catch-22.... If he flew them [more missions] he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."



In inventing "Catch 22," Joseph Heller had really only given a name to a particularly modern sort of bureaucratic conundrum, defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "a set of circumstances in which one requirement, etc., is dependent upon another, which is in turn dependent upon the first." More mundane examples of "Catch 22" would be needing a driver's license to get to Motor Vehicles to take your driving test, or my personal favorite, needing to be rich to avoid paying income tax.



http://www.word-detective.com/back-f2.html#catch22



Meaning



A paradox in which the attempt to escape makes escape impossible.



Origin



catch-22The title of Joseph Heller's novel, written in 1953 and published in 1961, (properly titled 'Catch-22' - with a hyphen). The first chapter was also published in a magazine in 1955, under the title 'Catch-18'.



The paradox is presented as the trap that confined members of the US Air Force. In logical terms the 'catch' was that, by applying for exemption from highly dangerous bombing missions on the grounds of insanity, the applicant proved himself to be sane (after all, that's what any sane person would do). If anyone applied to fly they would be considered insane. Either way; sane or insane, they were sent on the missions. This might be described logically as, 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', 'the vicious circle', 'a chicken and egg situation', or 'heads I win, tails you lose'.



In the book, this is explained thus:



Yossarian looked at him soberly and tried another approach. "Is Orr crazy?"

"He sure is," Doc Daneeka said.

"Can you ground him?"

"I sure can. But first he has to ask me to. That's part of the rule."

"Then why doesn't he ask you to?"

"Because he's crazy," Doc Daneeka said. "He has to be crazy to keep flying combat missions after all the close calls he's had. Sure, I can ground Orr. But first he has to ask me to."

"That's all he has to do to be grounded?"

"That's all. Let him ask me."

"And then you can ground him?" Yossarian asked.

"No. Then I can't ground him."

"You mean there's a catch?"

"Sure there's a catch," Doc Daneeka replied. "Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy."

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.

"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.



The phrase is now often misapplied to any problematic or unwelcome situation.



http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/catch-22.html
HaleyErinFry:]
2008-05-24 05:38:12 UTC
22 is my fav. num.!!!


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